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		<title>Comment on Ideological Jihad v. The Great Healthcare Compromise by Ideological Jihad v. The Great Healthcare Compromise &#124; Center Movement &#183; Legal News &#8211; Your Source for Legal News and Advice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ideological Jihad v. The Great Healthcare Compromise &#124; Center Movement &#183; Legal News &#8211; Your Source for Legal News and Advice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Real Action to Reduce Unemployment: Eliminating Minimum Wages and Suspending Payroll Taxes by edfhinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>edfhinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While eliminating minimum waqge nips around the corners of the problem, eliminating payroll taxes while keeping income taxes will just shift the problem in ways that can further weaken the economy.  The root problem is that we raise revenues in ways that discourage production.  This is true of both payroll and incone taxes.  The better - and politically even more difficult - solution would be to eliminate all taxes on income/payrolls and go to a consumption based tax.  Don&#039;t tax the most basic necessities like food and medicine, but everything else.  Effects would be profound:

1) Much greater economic competitiveness, since essentially foreign goods become effectively 25% more expensive compared to domestically produced goods (by elimionating the wage taxation effects on cost of domestic production.

2) Eliminate the incentive to hire foreign illegal workers, because there is no tax aqdvantage without payroll taxes (probably need to eliminate minimum wage with this as well for it to be fully effective.)

3) Eliminates the ability of those with financial means to avoid taxation via tax shelters, so in many ways this is less regressive than our &quot;progressive&quot; tax system that has lots of ways to avoid income taxes and much less regressive than payroll taxes.

4) Eliminates disincentives to investment in economy-growing new businesses and new technologies.

5) Won&#039;t raise effective prices on domestic goods since the consumptiion tax is offset by real income increase - or conversely iof wages drop prices on domestically produced goods will drop with it.  

6) Can&#039;t be challenged by WTO since WTO policies and rules do not prohibit taxing domestic and imported goods equally nor do WTO policies and rules require countries to have income or payroll taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While eliminating minimum waqge nips around the corners of the problem, eliminating payroll taxes while keeping income taxes will just shift the problem in ways that can further weaken the economy.  The root problem is that we raise revenues in ways that discourage production.  This is true of both payroll and incone taxes.  The better &#8211; and politically even more difficult &#8211; solution would be to eliminate all taxes on income/payrolls and go to a consumption based tax.  Don&#8217;t tax the most basic necessities like food and medicine, but everything else.  Effects would be profound:</p>
<p>1) Much greater economic competitiveness, since essentially foreign goods become effectively 25% more expensive compared to domestically produced goods (by elimionating the wage taxation effects on cost of domestic production.</p>
<p>2) Eliminate the incentive to hire foreign illegal workers, because there is no tax aqdvantage without payroll taxes (probably need to eliminate minimum wage with this as well for it to be fully effective.)</p>
<p>3) Eliminates the ability of those with financial means to avoid taxation via tax shelters, so in many ways this is less regressive than our &#8220;progressive&#8221; tax system that has lots of ways to avoid income taxes and much less regressive than payroll taxes.</p>
<p>4) Eliminates disincentives to investment in economy-growing new businesses and new technologies.</p>
<p>5) Won&#8217;t raise effective prices on domestic goods since the consumptiion tax is offset by real income increase &#8211; or conversely iof wages drop prices on domestically produced goods will drop with it.  </p>
<p>6) Can&#8217;t be challenged by WTO since WTO policies and rules do not prohibit taxing domestic and imported goods equally nor do WTO policies and rules require countries to have income or payroll taxes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Real Action to Reduce Unemployment: Eliminating Minimum Wages and Suspending Payroll Taxes by Ticonderoga Man Claims $5000000 Set for Life Lottery Prize</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ticonderoga Man Claims $5000000 Set for Life Lottery Prize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The 3 Strains of Conservatism Stirring in the Political Ferment by Helen Mahon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen Mahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way....I am a conservative of the past for most of my life...but I realized how brainwashed and manipulating the Rupublican party really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230;.I am a conservative of the past for most of my life&#8230;but I realized how brainwashed and manipulating the Rupublican party really is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The 3 Strains of Conservatism Stirring in the Political Ferment by Helen Mahon</title>
		<link>http://centermovement.org/politics/the-3-strains-of-conservatism-stirring-in-the-political-ferment/comment-page-1/#comment-1613</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Mahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dream On....the battles may have been won due to ambiguity and misleading the public.... but the truth will prevail break through and Obama WILL WIN the the WAR!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dream On&#8230;.the battles may have been won due to ambiguity and misleading the public&#8230;. but the truth will prevail break through and Obama WILL WIN the the WAR!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The 3 Strains of Conservatism Stirring in the Political Ferment by Rove: What the GOP Should Say at the Health Summit &#8211; Wall Street Journal : World online news</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rove: What the GOP Should Say at the Health Summit &#8211; Wall Street Journal : World online news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Will the Rush to EMRs Really Save Money? by Ed Hinton</title>
		<link>http://centermovement.org/healthcare-reform/will-the-rush-to-emrs-really-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1610</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Hinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  One other factor that differentiates the financial indurstry from the healthcare industry is ther nature of the power structure.  In financial institutiions, the power structure is top-down.  Those who are most focused on the overall financialstate of the institution have all the decision making authority to adopt new systems and practices.

In the healthcare industry, while financial matters are most apparent to the administrators, much of the informal; power structure is held by individual doctors.  Often, a new system cabn be put in place, but the doctors will not necessarily use it unless they deem it to be saving them time - their most precious commodity.  But a doctor faced with scribbling a signature on a piece of paper, or calling in an order, has littrle time incentive to log into a system, find the right patient record, and electronically enter or sign an order.  While some hospitals have and continue to overcome these kinds of obstacles to adoption, many have not.  Any the &quot;stick&quot; of medicare cuts serves as greater incentive for provider to refruse to accept medicare patients than it does to change adoption.  A better approach would be to find carrots to incentivize individual physician usage rather than drive away the shrinking numbers of providers who serve those least capable of finding other providers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  One other factor that differentiates the financial indurstry from the healthcare industry is ther nature of the power structure.  In financial institutiions, the power structure is top-down.  Those who are most focused on the overall financialstate of the institution have all the decision making authority to adopt new systems and practices.</p>
<p>In the healthcare industry, while financial matters are most apparent to the administrators, much of the informal; power structure is held by individual doctors.  Often, a new system cabn be put in place, but the doctors will not necessarily use it unless they deem it to be saving them time &#8211; their most precious commodity.  But a doctor faced with scribbling a signature on a piece of paper, or calling in an order, has littrle time incentive to log into a system, find the right patient record, and electronically enter or sign an order.  While some hospitals have and continue to overcome these kinds of obstacles to adoption, many have not.  Any the &#8220;stick&#8221; of medicare cuts serves as greater incentive for provider to refruse to accept medicare patients than it does to change adoption.  A better approach would be to find carrots to incentivize individual physician usage rather than drive away the shrinking numbers of providers who serve those least capable of finding other providers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on National Debt Part III: Radical Reform of Social Security by Ed Hinton</title>
		<link>http://centermovement.org/social-security/national-debt-part-iii-radical-reform-of-social-security/comment-page-1/#comment-1609</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Hinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that Social Security needs major reform or replacement, I have to disagree with the motivation offered by the article that we currently are in the worst economic times since the Great Depression.  In the late 70&#039;s and early 80&#039;s, due to the ineptitude of goverment policies that were promoted during the Carter administration, unemployment ultimately reached levels higher than today, with double digit interest rates and double digit inflation at the same time.  And like now, the effects took years to be fully felt, carrying into the second year of the Reagan administration before radically turning around (we can only hope for such a great turnaround this time - but that seems unlikely due to the current ineptitude of Washington now.) By any collective measure of the full range of economic indicators, we are far from in the worst economic state since the Depression.  While many people are hurting and need a better outlook, imagine being unemployed while prices are also rising at over 10%/year.  The two circumstances that conspire to have potential to turn the current times worse that 30 years ago are the extreme dependency on goverment hand outs that Washington since that had promoted and the immense groweth of the national debt.  Social Security was the first in many unsustainable steps in that direction that have led to the Great Dependency we now experience, while contributing to the mountain of unfunded liabilities we face.  We need to solve social security for our future, but not using this great misconception of current economic conditions as the reason. Rather, we must find solutions that promote individual responsibility, family and neighborhood support, and community based social support structures, together with promotion of an economic culture that uses tangible financial instruments for retirement savings rather than government issued IOUs that are substituted for the regresssive paryoll tax collections started by FDR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that Social Security needs major reform or replacement, I have to disagree with the motivation offered by the article that we currently are in the worst economic times since the Great Depression.  In the late 70&#8217;s and early 80&#8217;s, due to the ineptitude of goverment policies that were promoted during the Carter administration, unemployment ultimately reached levels higher than today, with double digit interest rates and double digit inflation at the same time.  And like now, the effects took years to be fully felt, carrying into the second year of the Reagan administration before radically turning around (we can only hope for such a great turnaround this time &#8211; but that seems unlikely due to the current ineptitude of Washington now.) By any collective measure of the full range of economic indicators, we are far from in the worst economic state since the Depression.  While many people are hurting and need a better outlook, imagine being unemployed while prices are also rising at over 10%/year.  The two circumstances that conspire to have potential to turn the current times worse that 30 years ago are the extreme dependency on goverment hand outs that Washington since that had promoted and the immense groweth of the national debt.  Social Security was the first in many unsustainable steps in that direction that have led to the Great Dependency we now experience, while contributing to the mountain of unfunded liabilities we face.  We need to solve social security for our future, but not using this great misconception of current economic conditions as the reason. Rather, we must find solutions that promote individual responsibility, family and neighborhood support, and community based social support structures, together with promotion of an economic culture that uses tangible financial instruments for retirement savings rather than government issued IOUs that are substituted for the regresssive paryoll tax collections started by FDR.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will the Rush to EMRs Really Save Money? by John Lynn</title>
		<link>http://centermovement.org/healthcare-reform/will-the-rush-to-emrs-really-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1608</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done article.  I especially like how you describe that the banking industry adopted IT because the consumers demanded it and there is no demand (yet?) in healthcare.

One point you are also missing is that the EMR stimulus money has essentially halted EMR adoption.  Any momentum we had before the $20 billion in EMR stimulus money has hit a brick wall.  Doctors are waiting for HHS/ONC/CMS to define how they&#039;ll get the money before they&#039;re implementing an EMR.  We actually still don&#039;t know exactly what will be required for a physician&#039;s office to get the money.  Meaningful Use and Certified EHR are still being defined.  At the earliest, none of the $20 billion will be spend until at least Spring of 2011.

It&#039;s also worth noting that there&#039;s a distinct possibility that the ARRA EMR stimulus incentives will encourage adoption of the large but mostly unusable EMR software.  If this occurs, then expect more widespread EMR implementation failure and an increasing hatred towards EMR software.  If this happens, then not only will it not stimulate EMR adoption, but will actually slow down adoption.

Luckily, I think most doctors will ignore the stimulus money and we&#039;ll be back to where we were before it was announced.  Granted, after a 3 year delay while doctors figure this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done article.  I especially like how you describe that the banking industry adopted IT because the consumers demanded it and there is no demand (yet?) in healthcare.</p>
<p>One point you are also missing is that the EMR stimulus money has essentially halted EMR adoption.  Any momentum we had before the $20 billion in EMR stimulus money has hit a brick wall.  Doctors are waiting for HHS/ONC/CMS to define how they&#8217;ll get the money before they&#8217;re implementing an EMR.  We actually still don&#8217;t know exactly what will be required for a physician&#8217;s office to get the money.  Meaningful Use and Certified EHR are still being defined.  At the earliest, none of the $20 billion will be spend until at least Spring of 2011.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that there&#8217;s a distinct possibility that the ARRA EMR stimulus incentives will encourage adoption of the large but mostly unusable EMR software.  If this occurs, then expect more widespread EMR implementation failure and an increasing hatred towards EMR software.  If this happens, then not only will it not stimulate EMR adoption, but will actually slow down adoption.</p>
<p>Luckily, I think most doctors will ignore the stimulus money and we&#8217;ll be back to where we were before it was announced.  Granted, after a 3 year delay while doctors figure this out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Victory for the First Amendment by Tom Ayres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Ayres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reading the First Amendment, I can find no reference to Corporations nor Unions. This amendment prohibits certain activities for PEOPLE regarding religion, speech, assembly and redress of grievances. The Oxford American Dictionary definition of &quot;people&quot; does NOT include Corporations nor Unions. So, it seems extremely unreasonable for the highest court of our country to treat Corporations and Unions as people under this amendment. What could be their motive for making such a decision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading the First Amendment, I can find no reference to Corporations nor Unions. This amendment prohibits certain activities for PEOPLE regarding religion, speech, assembly and redress of grievances. The Oxford American Dictionary definition of &#8220;people&#8221; does NOT include Corporations nor Unions. So, it seems extremely unreasonable for the highest court of our country to treat Corporations and Unions as people under this amendment. What could be their motive for making such a decision?</p>
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